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March 13, 2011

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Nice try Cyrus to overwhelm us with technical jargon. Repeat the same nonsense twice. I know hundreds of people against the regime. This isn't just family, this is a broad cross section of Iranian society. Stop trying to simplify the case here. The Bahrain government is just like the Iranian government, killing its own people in broad daylight. But of course, I don't know what's wrong with the likes of you, especially when you go against the wishes of your Iranian bretheren. I'm sure your Iranian family back home or wherever you're form loves you so much. And also Cyrus, for God's sakes, pack your bags and leave and go to Iran. There's a reason millions left that country and millions more WANT to leave Iran, if even the right chance. But you keep posting nonsense regarding Sazegara (which isn't exactly the face of the opposition since back in the day, he founded the IRGC). In fact, that's one gripe I have with VOA. They always bring him to speak as if he's some expert. Regardless, this document proves nothing.

[Cyrus responds: Nima, just out of curiosity, what is the technical jargon that I have managed to confuse you with?]

Take a look at James Prince and the 'freedom-loving' gang. They support uprising and chaos in countries whose government oppose Israeli occupation regime. But, the same 'freedom-loving' gang does not support freedom for the Palestinian people, the Jordanian people, the Bahraini people, and the Saudi people! http://www.cyberdissidents.org/ourexperts.html

A non-event. There is nothing new here beneath the thickly layred and repitious technical jargon. The US has been doing this against Cuba for close to 50 years and all through out the Cold War did it for Eastern Europe, and ditto the Russians against the Americans, and the Saddam regime against the Shah's regime, the current Iranians with thier Press TV against their opponents,... Mohsen Sazgara, whose name is repeated 4 times here, and the VOA are not the entire opposition. It's dishonest and naive to reduce opposition to the regime to just this and handful of other individuals. It's like reducing the Egyptian uprising to the Muslim Brotherhood. It is however disconcerting that in the absence of a reasonably free press for a progressive opposition to grow, the people will hook up to the likes of VOA to get their news, and not just Northern Tehranis.


[CYRUS RESPONDS: Mazdak when you say that "Mohsen Sazgara, whose name is repeated 4 times here, and the VOA are not the entire opposition" then you agree that Sazegara and the others mentioned ARE therefore serving US interests, right? And how can Iran have a "progressive opposition to grow" when it is open to being bought-and-paid for by the CIA? Whose fault is that, Iran's or the CIAs?]

Just curious: do you suppose that either Jim Prince or Owen Kirby have themselves ever set foot in Iran or speak a word of Farsi?

Nima, Mousavi and Karroubi may not be CIA agents themselves, but their supposed "supporters" who claim to be Green Movement activists in the US listed on this document clearly are taking money and assistance from the US government. Karroubi and Mousavi are simply the 'useful idiots' who give these people an excuse, and already the same "Green Movement" agents are saying that they'll eventually get rid of Mousavi and Karroubi.

Yawn. This doesn't prove anything. This is some hogwash nonsense. I'm sure Mousavi and Karoubi, pillars of the Islamic Republic themselves, are TOTALLY the agents of the CIA.

*rolls eyes*

I suspect that US journalists will try to ignore this document you have discovered (just as they're ignoring the massacre in Bahrain) especially since they can distract people with the situation in Japan instead, and if they ever get around to covering it, they will try to downplay its significance or justify it. However, imagine the screaming headlines if the tables were turned, and Iran was engaged in a similar sort of information warfare campaign against the US complete with people in the US who had agreed to secretly act as conduits for Iranian-government financed propaganda operations in the US!

This is what the Clinton administration referred to as the "Kiss of Death" -- by siding with the Greens, they are now discredited as US agents. I wonder if the original leak was deliberate?

This pretty much kills the Green Movement. What stupid morons! If I were an Iranian democracy activist, I would seriously have to reconsider cooperating with outfits like "the Democracy Council" not only on moral grounds but for fear that the idiots would potentially expose me to danger because they can't keep their "internal documents" off the internet.

You just BLEW AWAY the credibility of the Greens COMPLETELY!

Pretty damning stuff, from Iran's point of view. This is exactly the kind of thing VEVAK has been warning against.

AMAZING FIND CYRUS! WOW! This is exactly the sort of thing that the CIA did during the cold war. Read Francis Stoner Saunders' book "The CIA and the Cultural Cold War" (http://www.monthlyreview.org/1199petr.htm)

Basically these exiles and separatists and including Jahanshah Javid of Iranian.com had sold themselves out and agreed to a conspiracy with the US government funded propaganda outfit in which the US government would gather them all under "one roof", coordinate their voices and provide them with facilities and resources including satellite access, yet the US government would keep its role hidden behind false organizational layers and maintain a pretense that it had no role in the scheme (sort of how they pretend that the Voice of America is "independent.") Yes, this is classic black propaganda operations. The Green Movement, whether or not it was ever a genuine movement in Iran, now appears more than ever to simply be another faked "color revolution" that emerges as a US government propaganda operation.

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